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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 10, 2013 10:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Torrenting Etiquette (and more)

Yeah, I pretty much agree with that last paragraph. For all stuff, actually -- E72, DP, etc etc. I do think Fillmore West is available to buy in a partial version. But IMO everything that's released on CD should at least be available via purchasable DL later on.

On torrent etiquette: um, does anyone really want to leach off someone with such a slow internet speed as me?!? Seems to me I'd be doing a favor not to keep the files open, or some poor person in London (or apparently Thailand) might get to experience The Real Third World without realizing it! (Although I don't actually know how to keep them "open" or "closed" yet. That's a level of knowledge beyond my padawan grade.)

Btw, if you're curious re my speed, I'm at 45 percent on the first file, which I started about four hours ago. Dunno how that compares to Thailand/US/UK, but given that it took me a day and a half to torrent a 20-minute Xmas special a few weeks back, it seems just zippy to me. Btw no problem yet on email, google, etc.

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Poster: RJ_Squirrel Date: Jan 11, 2013 5:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Torrenting Etiquette (and more)

I have a question about this, having started recently: if I have been seeding a show for over a month and it only has a .1 share ratio, is there a point where you are expected to stop seeding if it's not going anywhere? What is a reasonable amount of time?

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Poster: JackDog Date: Jan 11, 2013 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Torrenting Etiquette (and more)

What software are you using and do you plan on keeping the show on your hard drive? I'm using uTorrent and it doesn't seem like there's any limit to the number of shows you can have available for seeding (you can only actively seed up to your upload cap) and if it's something that you're going to keep anyway, why not just keep seeding it? It's good to be the only seeder for a show because it really helps your share ratio.

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Jan 11, 2013 4:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Torrenting Etiquette (and more)

On either the GD Vault or Lossless Legs "how to" forums, there is the "request" to not have open more than 10 seed/leeches (per tracker). You can read about the technical reasons in the forum post--I don't remember the details--but 10 is an easy number to remember. Every time I leech a new show, I delete a show from my client from the same tracker (GDV or LL) that hasn't been leeched from my seed in some time.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jan 11, 2013 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Torrenting Etiquette (and more)

Agreed, if no-one is taking you up on your offer, you might as well close it.

My suggestion was really aimed at more popular instances where there is a greater demand for the data. By keeping the torrents available (for a reasonable time) we help each other.

Sorry for not being clearer, sooner. I normally only open my mouth to change feet ........

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 11, 2013 5:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Torrenting Etiquette (and more)

If they released them as limited edition then they can't really release them the same way again or else they lose creditability with the people who have been buying discs. I think they make very calculated decisions on what they expect to sell and try to create enough demand to sell that many. Look at the Dave's Picks. They can't sell 12-13K subscriptions even if they offer free shipping and a bonus disc. They can manage to sell out the individual discs though.

As for making things available for download after the limited supply of discs runs out, one must assume that this is also a business decision. Running the servers for this 24/7 must cost more than they will make by selling the downloads (see above, they don't sell a lot). Especially if places like Pirates Bay offer folks the opportunity to get the same thing for free.

That all said, it is also clear they have miscalculated twice. The Fillmore West box and the E72 box sold out much quicker than they anticipated. I think they covered themselves well for E72 by making the music only version and then selling the discs individually. Not sure the partial version of Fillmore West '69 worked so well.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jan 11, 2013 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Torrenting Etiquette (and more)

Closing the torrents is achieved either by deleting them from your (uTorrent) client or removing (or transferring) the files (I guess we're talking Dead shows) from your PC. If you just delete the data (say, after you've burnt it to CD), the torrenting client will probably give you an error message stating that torrent is no longer working (uploading or downloading) and could/should be deleted. By not closing the torrents (as above) you are keeping them open.

Re: your little upload - think: "every little helps". It all adds up and helps one or more, somewhere, sometime.

By the way, I did buy an official version of E'72 but, despite my instructions, Rhino/Dead.net sent it to my credit card address in the UK as opposed to my current address in Thailand. I had to pay significant (approx 25%) import levy to get it into the UK and do not want to pay the same again (probably higher) plus carriage charges to get it to me here in Thailand. So I grabbed a copy from Pirate Bay and am happy listening to the music here in the knowledge that the 'real deal' is safe and sound back in the UK, totally virgin - no torn covers, fingermarks on the CDs, etc., - waiting for my return (one day).

I wasn't able to get a (full) copy of the Fillmore '69 shows release - that was sold-out within minutes and, to the best of my knowledge, I don't think any copies made it out of the U.S.A. - at least not on initial sale (maybe second hand?). But, again, I got a copy from Pirate Bay and one of my mates in England (who's oh so good with scanners, paintshop and printers) mocked-up some covers using source data from the 3-CD version, splitting the notes (and the music) across 2-CD and 3-CD jewel cases - one for each show date and, IMHO, it looks f*cking GREAT (apologies for the francais). He should really go into business but he's scared of the FBI !!!

Keep on truckin',

and don't let the b*stards grind you down.